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  Would a loving creator give humans the gift of free will?

  by Heisenberg in

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  2. beliefs

  they say ignorance is bliss... well, i wish that god did not give adam free will.

  i am ok to not have free will if it means i will live forever in perfect paradisiac conditions.it has been explained that free will is a gift from god.

  they say 'who would want to live life like a robot?

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  Heisenberg.O.P " would a loving creator give humans the gift of free will?

  The Rebel, (A) .......Who knows?

  But more to the point this is the second thread you have started in over a year

  On your first thread you were " perplexed by the attitude of many on this site....."

  You were " astounded" and wrote " when I hear of former JWs that now celebrate Christmas? .....You want the truth but then go back to the deepest, darkest pit of deception"

  A year later you start your second thread, so a belated welcome and congratulations on your 4th post in 365 days, which read " I am amazed that they are creating these " music videos" The JWs have become what "we" we once loathed"

  Personally I hope the music and the videos " you " once loathed may have played a part in comprehending the prejudice way the J.W organisation makes people think, which is an abuse of your / my " FREEWILL"

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  How and Why?

  by The Rebel in

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  a recent thread i read about bethel " sending an old man packing" has bought to my attention it's one of many threads that show the most " loving" organisation in the world is cold and without love.. how can an organisation that is so unloving, have so many kind hearted people as members?.

  this is the sincere question that i have not found an answer to.. the rebel..

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  A recent thread I read about bethel " sending an old man packing" has bought to my attention it's one of many threads that show the most " loving" organisation in the world is cold and without love.

  How can an organisation that is so unloving, have so many kind hearted people as members?

  This is the sincere question that I have not found an answer to.

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  was Darwin an atheist?

  by Ruby456 in

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  asking this q because my own feeling about this is that he probably believed in god but his evolutionary thesis is used to support atheism.

  how come?

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  Was Einstein an athiest?

  The Rebel (A) Einstein was a genius, and there are not many of them.

  Reading this thread it would appear conclusive that Einstein was a believer that became an agnostic. But what did the definition of an agnostic mean for Einstein when he wrote?:-

  " The mystery of all things is insoluble by us, and I must be content to remain an agnostic" Einstein. How would his work and theories have been received at the time he presented them, if he had stated he was an athiest?

  Anyway Einstein died April 18 1955, and at the time of his death he was athiest. I based this conclusion on a letter he wrote in 1954. This letter was sold back in 2012 on eBay for 3 million dollars, and addresses many philosophical themes including religion. The letter is conclusive proof that towards the end of his life he rejected the idea of a personal God.

  The letter can be read on the Internet in its entirety.

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  A sincere message to those from the organisation monitoring my posts....

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. friends

  so, i know there are some from my congregation or from bethel who monitor my posts..... maybe you're looking for something to catch me out?.

  just a question: rather than trying to find fault with me, have you stopped and looked into the issues or facts about the organisation that caused me to come to a place like this forum??.

  facts are there for anyone to find nowadays....one just has to be willing to pull their head out of the sand.....

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  Unquestionably anyone monitoring a persons posts from a congregation or bethel, whose mind isn't opened by the exposure of false doctrine or whose heart isn't moved by the painstaking suffering the organisation has caused so many of its once loyal members, should question themselfs why?

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  Dear God,

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i miss you.

  you were supposed to be a hope in bad times.

  when i was in my darkest hour you weren't there.

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  But Phizzy, we must get past the anger of leaving and think in now to our death is not long....and I don't want to be an ex-witness with anger . Personally I now think when I die it is the end of my existence, so I think my revenge to the W.T is to loose my anger and disalusiment and enjoy learning to spell.......translation life is a happy famIly life which the W.T hasn't taken from me....but it was a long fight.

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  Dear God,

  by punkofnice in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i miss you.

  you were supposed to be a hope in bad times.

  when i was in my darkest hour you weren't there.

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  Punk.... That was such a sincere O.P.

  I think we once bought into the idea of God, and we created or had created for us the character " JEHOVER" , and the less questioning we did about this creator the more he existed.

  Punk once upon a time you replied to my O.P with a video of who I believe your real self is.That was a video of yourself as a punk rocker on stage ....now that is the punk who I like as a person, not the rebellious ex-witness who lost his faith in God....So what I am saying is in our society we don't need 2,3,4 or five sides to say " Dear God" exists or not, our life is more important than that...and PUNK, I think you are a great poster and the way I see it is the W.T society is like our mum and dad, they had a huge " negative" effect on my past, but not on my future ....

  The Rebel :- Dear God, I am me and I may not be who you wish me to be, but I am me and Iam different from your Watchtower followers so I left them. I hope you exist and accept me for who Iam, but believing in you through the W.T interpretion has made me a unhappy person, so I have chosen to be me, and the W.T has made me believe you don't exist, but you are always welcome to reveal yourself to me...if not its your fault not mine"

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  A possible reason why the GB are becoming more demanding as things worsen

  by Listener in

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  2. beliefs

  basically because they feel they are not being blessed.. this is not to say that all gb members feel this way.

  the power hungry ones love getting the whip out.

  the other members incorrectly look to the old testament for answers.. they are telling the sheep to be faithful, dedicated, self sacrificing, serving to the fullest, whole hearted and obedient.

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  DJS " The dark lords are following...."

  The Rebel : D B " but the little green wheels are FOLLOWING me, Oh no not again...I never done good things, I never done bad things....I never did anything out of the blue....

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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

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  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Ex -Witnesses be the envy of all your friends, with an eloquent addition to your living room mantlepiece, purcase a signed copy of " Crisis of conscience" in Japanecse.

  And what ever language the book is written in it "will have tears rolling down your eyes". because the fact is the tears were already bottled up before we started reading it, and those tears are because the Ed Dunlops are in every congregation and every Bethel today, just waiting to be kicked out....it's not words in books that make us rebel against the W.T it's the cold calculating behaviour and luck of love that we witness from its followers.

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  Is there evidence for networks of abuse?

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. child-abuse

  i tend to avoid the subject because it's too depressing, so i've probably missed lots of discussion about this issue.

  but i read a comment on youtube yesterday that shocked me and made me wonder.

  the person claimed that many years ago abusers in society generally identified jws as a safe haven for abusers and joined en masse order to exploit the situation.

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  Slimboyfat O.P." Is there evidence for networks of abuse?

  The Rebel (A) when I was leaving the W.T, I mentiond with supportive evidence to a " friend" elder child molestation problems in the organisation, his defensive and emotional reply " would I be in an organisation like that? My reply was " you are"

  What I learnt from that conversation was how easy it was for this " friend" elder to deny all the evidence I mentiond. So whilst I found your O.P sensational and not supported by evidence, the question is worth being asked.

  Personally I believe any organisation that is so secret and un-cooperative with its policies on child abuse as the Watchtower could be a prime target for such networks to exist. This is why I am glad the figures on child molesters in the organisation have been revealed and are no longer secret. I am also sure your question " Is there evidence of networks of abuse" is a question those conducting royal commission enquirers , and police forces who investigate child molestation in the W.T organisation are also concerned about.

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  "Crises of Conscience"

  by Olivia Wilde in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  i just finished reading chapters 11-12 of raymond franz, crises of conscience & i must admit, i am pretty strong person, however the way ed dunlap & ray franz were treated left me crying, i had tears rolling done my eyes driving home from work on friday... & how ed was kicked out by wt, left me feel soo disgusted & outraged.... it was very obvious he needed to stay at bethel because of his age & medical conditions but i admired he didn't compromise his conscious, it's sickening to me how cold & callous these men can treat a christian after all his service.... & of course ray franz situation was no exception either, the witch hunt they did to get him out was, well, there's just isnt enough adjectives to describe their disgusting motives against him... he was 59 yrs old trying to make a honest living with his wife & for them to go after him was devious & demon like.... i'm soo grateful i came across this book & i wished i had much much sooner.... i know god will reward both ed dunlap & franz plus many many more who have been unjustly & unchristian like treated during that time & this time, sooo sickening.....i still feel very much upset & emotional over the whole thing .... i never met any of them & then yet i feel deep christian love for them......

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  Olivia Wilde: O.P " Crises of conscience"

  Nathen Nat ass " Was it because you had tears in your eyes that you got the title of the book wrong?

  The Rebel, (A) The meaning of the name Olivia is piece. It doesn't matter how you spell peace, it's something inside you and I hope you find it Olivia.

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  p.s Nathan Natas, The " In Search of Crispy Chicken" comment made me laugh.